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malchik1312
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As a lot of you might now Russia passes out an new law which forbids talking about Homosexuality..they call it law against "Homo-propaganda"
(http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/world/asia/anti-gay-law-stirs-fears-in-russia.html)
What do you think about this? And it could it be possible that they forbid to show the clip of all the things she said soon? Because this video promotes lesbian love!
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I'm neither agianst nor for the law, where I am from homosexuality is 'off limits' anyway so I can't imagine it being different.
I doubt they will ban any t.A.T.u. music videos though they may edit some of the more sensitive parts of interviews if they choose to rebroadcast it
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| Nowhere писал(а): | I'm neither agianst nor for the law, where I am from homosexuality is 'off limits' anyway so I can't imagine it being different.
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In Bolton, seriously? lol/
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What a stupid idea. The law would be a big step back. I dont understand how people can support such a law.
The only good thing is that tatu will be back to the newspapers if the law is signed... |
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malchik1312
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| Цитата: | What a stupid idea. The law would be a big step back. I dont understand how people can support such a law.
The only good thing is that tatu will be back to the newspapers if the law is signed...
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The law is already signed!! At the moment just for St.Petersburg..but they want to pass this law to Moscow..
this law makes it impossible for teachers to tell their students facts about homosexuality..the aids-help is not longer allowed to provide flyers..
Welcome to Russia in 2012!!
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malchik1312
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| Цитата: | | so being gay is illegal? |
Talking about homosexuality (that it is normal etc.) is illegal. They say they don't want people to promote " a homosexual lifestyle"..
this could mean that a flyer for a gay party could be illegal!
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| malchik1312 писал(а): | | Цитата: | What a stupid idea. The law would be a big step back. I dont understand how people can support such a law.
The only good thing is that tatu will be back to the newspapers if the law is signed...
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The law is already signed!! At the moment just for St.Petersburg..but they want to pass this law to Moscow..
this law makes it impossible for teachers to tell their students facts about homosexuality..the aids-help is not longer allowed to provide flyers..
Welcome to Russia in 2012!! |
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Max Franco
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Nazism 2.0
What a hateful country.
A movie like You and I couldnt be released now in Russia....or a Tatu song!
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bgeyts667
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What a hateful country. |
Hey! Russia is not hateful!
This law is signed by a bunch of idiots, who are not Russia. |
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Aphroditа
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It's just in Saint-Petersbourg, all because of city-perlament. There's no big deal with gays in whole country  |
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malchik1312
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| Aphroditа писал(а): | | It's just in Saint-Petersbourg, all because of city-perlament. There's no big deal with gays in whole country |
are you serious?
There are NO LGBT-Rights in Russia..every year the city of moscow tries to ban the gay pride and religious people and neo-nazis are attacking the people at the gay pride!!
also there is no "real" democracy in russia as we could the when putin "won" the election this year again.. 
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bgeyts667
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| malchik1312 писал(а): | | also there is no "real" democracy in russia as we could the when putin "won" the election this year again.. |
So, you're one of these orange guys.. >.<
http://comicsia.ru/i/8a/93-35475.gif |
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sakuya
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| bgeyts667 писал(а): | | malchik1312 писал(а): | | also there is no "real" democracy in russia as we could the when putin "won" the election this year again.. |
So, you're one of these orange guys.. >.<
http://comicsia.ru/i/8a/93-35475.gif |
And youre one of those who jumps on one person orders then 
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argos
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| malchik1312 писал(а): | | also there is no "real" democracy in russia as we could the when putin "won" the election this year again.. |
Putinophobia is a serious disease (or was it putinophilia?  )
Russia is not one legal text, neither is it one city, nor is it one person. This law isn't more than a fart in the forrest. Doesn't alter anything in Russia. |
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malchik1312
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| argos писал(а): | | malchik1312 писал(а): | | also there is no "real" democracy in russia as we could the when putin "won" the election this year again.. |
Putinophobia is a serious disease (or was it putinophilia? )
Russia is not one legal text, neither is it one city, nor is it one person. This law isn't more than a fart in the forrest. Doesn't alter anything in Russia. |
I have just a few questions for you:
Is there gay marriage in russia?
Is there a real oppostion in the russian politic?
Is THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsfxwA_lLZ8) a democratic way of electing?
Human rights watch:
| Цитата: | | In 2011 Russian human rights defenders were harassed and its civil society worked in a hostile climate. No one has been held responsible for abuses, including the murders of activists in the North Caucasus. Russia’s cooperation with international institutions in the field of human rights appeared perfunctory, and several positive developments pertaining to freedom of expression were counterbalanced by proposed detrimental laws in other areas. The authorities refused to register new political parties and used government resources to support pro-Putin candidates in the elections. The peaceful demonstrations that followed the December 2011 parliamentary vote forced authorities to acknowledge the public’s discontent with the Putin-era authoritarianism and to promise reforms. |
Source: http://www.hrw.org/europecentral-asia/russia
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malchik1312
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and I don't think it is a fart in the forest..
When there are people in St.Petersburg who vote for a law like this, they will also find people who thinks like that in the rest of russia!
There are no laws to protect the rights of LGBT-people in Russia..moscow always tries to ban the gay parade so I think they would also pass this law..they are homophobes!
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| malchik1312 писал(а): | | Is there gay marriage in russia? |
Is there gay marriage in Italy? In fact there are only a few European countries with gay marriage: Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal. From the ex-communist countries only Czech. Republic, Hungary and Slovenia accept registered partnership.
| malchik1312 писал(а): | | Is there a real oppostion in the russian politic? |
What is real opposition? Do you think the opposition in Russia is fake? The people on the streets pretending that they are dissatisfied?
| malchik1312 писал(а): | | When there are people in St.Petersburg who vote for a law like this... |
As far as I know the law turns against advertising homosexuality to minors (seems to be age 16 in Russia), which is not really a big deal. People that age are usually more cocerned about school notes than gay issues, therefore the law doesn't influence much.
People of the political centre love to fish among the right wing and ultra conservative religious parties. Popular thing this law, but the effect is low.
| malchik1312 писал(а): | | moscow always tries to ban the gay parade so I think they would also pass this law..they are homophobes! |
Yurij Lushkov is no longer mayor of Moscow, so things may be different now. That doesn't mean that a gay parade will be allowed so easily, simply because no Moscow policeman wants to fight with militant clerics. Better forbid the parade and avoid a confrontation between the state authority and the orthodox church. Politics is always trying to choose the lesser evil. |
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malchik1312
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| Цитата: | | Is there gay marriage in Italy? In fact there are only a few European countries with gay marriage: Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal. From the ex-communist countries only Czech. Republic, Hungary and Slovenia accept registered partnership. |
the fact that other states don't accept gay marriage, proofs what?! "hey other countries also don't accept it therefore it is not a big deal?!"
and I don't speak only about gay marriage, what about other LGBT-rights? In fact there is no protection for example in your job..their is no anti-discrimination law!
Your argument sounds like " In saudi-arabia there are less women's right..but hey..no big deal..in Irak, Iran, Yemen etc. it's the same!"
| Цитата: | | What is real opposition? Do you think the opposition in Russia is fake? The people on the streets pretending that they are dissatisfied? |
A real opposition is an opposition which is not suppressed! From the Human rights watch report: The authorities refused to register new political parties and used government resources to support pro-Putin candidates in the elections. So, in a democratic system this can NOT be tolerated!!
| Цитата: | | As far as I know the law turns against advertising homosexuality to minors (seems to be age 16 in Russia), which is not really a big deal. People that age are usually more cocerned about school notes than gay issues, therefore the law doesn't influence much. |
It does not influence much? Are you serious? It is impossible to for teachers to talk about homosexuality with their students..they are not allowed to say it is normal, so the minors won't learn tolerance ..and when you don't have the right knowledge about homosexuality you learn it by predjudices!! And imagine you are a gay student and you have questions about your sexuality....
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